clinton back in 1993. there's a picture of them there, and the be relationship really developed over many years, and the congressman is with us now with his thoughts and reflections today. it's great to have you on the program, congressman. we do have some pictures, as we mentioned, of your time with nelson mandela, but i understand that your relationship started so many years before the bill clinton inauguration. can you tell our viewers a little bit about how you became friends with nelson mandela? >> well, thank you, and thanks for the opportunity to be here. i found out about mr. mandela when i was a student. i got involved with the free south africa movement and did that if many -- finish many years. while in the city council, i led protests every christmas eve to draw attention to his plight and the plight of south africa, and he wrote me a letter, ironically, in 1982 or '83 in which he simply said i've heard about what you are doing, thank you very much, and then in big letters he wrote: do not give